Subject	I think his point is this --->
Posted by	1991TT on December 04, 2003 at 3:04 PM
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In Reply To	Gee Ash, when you put it in those terms... posted by Smurf Z on December 04, 2003 at 02:55 PM
Message	This shouldn't be that big of a deal to most of us since in the long run, the consumer is going to benefit either way. To 99% of us, it's just a hobby. On the other hand, for those that do this for a living, things are a bit more complicated. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You know, after being around (1991TT) and (mongoozTT) I am beginning to notice that most 300zx drivers are more arogant about their cars than any DSMer..." - '94 TransAm owner
Follow Ups	More detailed and easy to understand info on split downpipes - Specialty-Z 11:28:48 12/04/03 Everything you wrote makes sense, but paragraphs OWN! - BigTDogg (MA) 11:40:16 12/04/03 Many cars come from the factory with Flex Joints.... - Specialty-Z 12:05:18 12/04/03 What Greg really means is... - Stealth021 16:06:33 12/04/03 It is always a good idea to use a flex joint, our manifold - Chip(GMS Racing) 16:10:50 12/04/03 To note: - Stealth021 16:52:13 12/04/03 Sounds like encouragement to get someone to try and tear up - speedr300z (ATL) 11:41:17 12/04/03 So you are saying that the RVM pipes will all fall apart? - AshsZ 11:41:48 12/04/03 I know your not asking me, but I believe that on a time vs - Scotts94z32 11:48:22 12/04/03 I guess you haven't seen high mile, rusty, weak DPs then. - AshsZ 11:53:29 12/04/03 Stainless will fail first when assembled this way because of - Specialty-Z 11:56:39 12/04/03 I am not commenting on who's right or wrong.... - RSR 12:15:39 12/04/03 i so don't want to get involved, - nixit 11:56:02 12/04/03 It is not the weld that will crack...... - Specialty-Z 11:59:07 12/04/03 I'm no expert, so I am officially sitting on my hands. (n/m) - nixit 12:00:02 12/04/03 hope your thumb isnt up (n/m) - fairladyzguy 12:04:08 12/04/03 true, but where the weld material, whatever it is, is in - Scotts94z32 12:15:30 12/04/03 totally depends on amperage and welders settings... - nixit 12:56:43 12/04/03 amperage also known as heat settings, Nixit is right on the> - Cap927 (hibernating Z) 15:08:25 12/04/03 Yes...Just like all greddy TD05 manifolds crack. (n/m) - Specialty-Z 11:53:28 12/04/03 We'll be keeping tabs on this theory... :) - AshsZ 11:58:21 12/04/03 I feel based on experience that the guys that drive these... - Specialty-Z 12:01:33 12/04/03 One of John's TT's here has the RVMs and his car is dropped - AshsZ 12:58:07 12/04/03 Well put. Structural Engineer does not equal experienced - Scotts94z32 11:42:59 12/04/03 Did you ever produce the calaculations I asked you for - AshsZ 12:04:03 12/04/03 >>> - Scotts94z32 12:42:02 12/04/03 I'm threw that out there to discredit your claim that - AshsZ 13:01:17 12/04/03 It's not there to make one think I am an expert on anything, - Scotts94z32 13:27:55 12/04/03 Sshouldn't aluminum be worse? - Marshall 15:27:38 12/04/03 Most of the cars with aluminum piping in the engine - Chip(GMS Racing) 15:39:10 12/04/03 Quick question: - Marshall 15:36:18 12/04/03 fwiw; NZR; - nixit 16:12:59 12/04/03 interesting... - Marshall 17:58:54 12/04/03 TC'y is the issue I am talking about... - Scotts94z32 20:27:21 12/04/03 Data rules, so I'll offer one data point.... - RSR 12:12:01 12/04/03 Man I bet that was fun! - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 12:17:54 12/04/03 ...... - RSR 13:17:07 12/04/03 Did you ever post the video? - Marshall 15:28:26 12/04/03 Random Tech downpipes are welded on the outside. - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:35:15 12/04/03 Random tech pipes are 3" open and run signifacantly cooler.. - Specialty-Z 13:27:35 12/04/03 You can send a set of your pipes to me at Z1. =) - AshsZ 12:53:42 12/04/03 Now Ash, he said he will give a set to the first set of RVM - speedr300z (ATL) 13:03:31 12/04/03 I guess I could ask Greg for a set of RVMs instead...? (n/m) - AshsZ 13:11:39 12/04/03 muhahahhaha!!! (n/m) - ForceFedTT 00:09:25 12/05/03 We have sold over 1000 sets and not 1 has cracked ... - Specialty-Z 13:23:58 12/04/03 I wrecked my car and I had SZ SDP's on.... - Zeus 13:49:08 12/04/03 You're a class act Ash...leaving out the details. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 13:25:38 12/04/03 LOL, I thought it was funny.. I really, and I strongly - AshsZ 13:53:42 12/04/03 My real point: Z1 is not the "enemy", if you want to call - AshsZ 14:11:55 12/04/03 2nd. - 1991TT 14:59:32 12/04/03 Good point.. (n/m) - ibpimpn 16:06:50 12/04/03 You guys need to STOP that bullshit "enemy" game you play. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:29:52 12/04/03 I wouldn't call it like that Ryan.. Im pretty sure - AshsZ 19:42:44 12/04/03 hey Seedy.... - Spee 21:20:50 12/04/03 That was and is your problem, you thought. :( (n/m) - Spongerider :) 14:26:55 12/04/03 I totally agree.. (n/m) - ibpimpn 14:46:24 12/04/03 Gee Ash, when you put it in those terms... - Smurf Z 14:55:37 12/04/03 I think his point is this ---> - 1991TT 15:04:00 12/04/03 You think or know? There is a difference, BTW ash can think - Spongerider :) 15:07:58 12/04/03 Alright Sandy, I know. - 1991TT 15:11:19 12/04/03 Hmm, name calling (CLASSY) , talking for a lot of - Spongerider :) 16:02:10 12/04/03 To MOST of us, this is a hobby. - 1991TT 07:33:46 12/05/03 True. But if one understands another's meaning, can't they - AshsZ 20:01:13 12/04/03 THINK about this... - Smurf Z 15:17:03 12/04/03 Agreed, but... - 1991TT 15:43:42 12/04/03 You Damn Capitalist! - Chip(GMS Racing) 15:49:01 12/04/03 LOL that's funny. :-) - Smurf Z 15:55:13 12/04/03 Yep, gotta love it. Although if you never go public - Chip(GMS Racing) 16:06:39 12/04/03 Yes and no. - Smurf Z 15:52:44 12/04/03 Very well said! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:05:53 12/04/03 Drama queen... geez. - AshsZ 19:47:09 12/04/03 Agree to disagree - 1991TT 07:52:37 12/05/03 This event affects vendors and consumers very differently. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:07:23 12/04/03 That is all I was implying by that.. Seedy doesn't know - AshsZ 17:06:04 12/04/03 For those that are confused this is what he meant. - Spongerider :) 18:12:51 12/04/03 Thanks! Wondered where that post was. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:44:07 12/04/03 Think you have the wrong link for the pics that Ash posted.. - speedr300z (ATL) 21:20:08 12/04/03 Nope, look at the link, then see the next thread above - Spongerider :) 11:05:03 12/05/03 Maybe you should re-read that post, He is stating that - speedr300z (ATL) 11:43:58 12/05/03 nope (n/m) - Spongerider :) 13:53:57 12/05/03 yup (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 16:49:55 12/05/03 Also, on a side note, Ash is NOT a site sponsor... - speedr300z (ATL) 09:11:10 12/05/03 Really?? Have you clicked on his links below his sig?? - Spongerider :) 11:03:45 12/05/03 When did links included in a signature make you a site - speedr300z (ATL) 11:47:45 12/05/03 With the "Nice Profile :)" thing... - 1991TT 12:50:28 12/05/03 I'm about as out of place as you are ignorant to reality... - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:38:24 12/04/03 WHAT THE ? dude, I explained that whole post and what - AshsZ 20:04:06 12/04/03 looks like another quality tune jobs at 13+ af to me.. (n/m) - Halo Z 15:36:06 12/04/03 hehehe.. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:08:07 12/04/03 For 1/3 the cost, stainless steel and testpipes to boot... - Kenny 14 psi 13:13:36 12/04/03 They aren't 304 grade stainless, are they? (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 13:38:40 12/04/03 ALL of RTs products are 304SS, they do not use anything - Chip(GMS Racing) 13:47:19 12/04/03 Actually they are. - Kenny 14 psi 13:48:42 12/04/03 Okay, are they double welded? (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:31:13 12/04/03 Greg himself said the less welding the better. - Kenny 14 psi 23:16:39 12/04/03 Imagine that call to UPS... - 1991TT 08:21:33 12/05/03 That was my point!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 08:40:40 12/05/03 ... - Kenny 14 psi 13:22:32 12/05/03 I have rt dp's on my car, and they are fine. Had them for - Chris(NJ) 13:55:08 12/04/03 Re: For 1/3 the cost, stainless steel and testpipes to boot... - Specialty-Z 14:02:33 12/04/03 Re: Re: For 1/3 the cost, stainless steel and testpipes to boot... - Kenny 14 psi 14:13:37 12/04/03 I actualy spoke with Ron Bello (the owner of RVM)..... - Specialty-Z 14:28:03 12/04/03 kinda off topic here, but is he related to Eddie Bello ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 21:08:44 12/04/03 The best you can do ... - MatD 14:17:24 12/04/03 Quality is rarely inexpensive. - Spee 17:37:36 12/04/03 My local made DP are made of mild steel and coated - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:14:49 12/04/03 Mild steel does not expand like stainless and is much more - Specialty-Z 14:07:28 12/04/03 Competition = good for consumer - 1991TT 14:51:44 12/04/03 And your a student right? BTW, nice profile. :) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:10:25 12/04/03 *you're (n/m) - aliaZ 19:00:17 12/04/03 Question for you. - Smurf Z 15:24:22 12/04/03 Sounds like a stupid question to me: - therinL 15:28:31 12/04/03 Not a stupid question. - Smurf Z 15:39:55 12/04/03 Thanks for being stubborn =) (n/m) - therinL 16:22:44 12/04/03 Thanks for being THE idiot. :-) (n/m) - Smurf Z 16:41:19 12/04/03 JWT ECU is proven and a good product. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 21:07:06 12/04/03 Try not to be a complete idiot. - Kenny 14 psi 15:39:51 12/04/03 Please join therinL on the short bus... - Smurf Z 15:44:42 12/04/03 300zxclub.com (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 23:18:46 12/04/03 Are they ALL on the short bus too??? (n/m) - Smurf Z 08:46:53 12/05/03 Forget Sport 500s and Z1 turbos, I'm waiting for RVM turbos! - ZigZag 17:48:04 12/04/03 ADMIN, please remove ZigZag's noob icon! His is ... - Lorca@APTunerZ 21:30:07 12/04/03 What?!? RVM is making turbos?!? - 1991TT 08:39:00 12/05/03 I already have good turbos. - 1991TT 08:32:21 12/05/03 w0w (n/m) - fourZero 14:58:35 12/05/03 I have to bookmark this post to read it later - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 17:04:53 12/04/03 It's THIS simple people... - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 08:50:17 12/05/03 The difference in your fascia philosophy... - 1991TT 09:40:53 12/05/03 Yep, which is why I said we need to wait :) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 15:28:41 12/05/03 Big second. Enough has been said about all of this - Chip(GMS Racing) 11:24:15 12/05/03
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